tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5122011366604192824.post1998620972599606129..comments2014-09-07T09:02:16.328-05:00Comments on This One Shall Be Called Woman: Job 1-4NulleFidehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05715257430971565382noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5122011366604192824.post-20598659037771413162010-12-01T10:55:58.544-06:002010-12-01T10:55:58.544-06:00Yeah, I am still of the opinion that maybe Christi...Yeah, I am still of the opinion that maybe Christians are worshiping the wrong god. If you kind of look at it a different way, you could spin it so that Satan is the one testing God in this story. Satan wants to see if God is really willing to allow so much harm to befall even God's biggest fan.<br /><br />If you look at it that way, then God failed this test miserably.<br /><br />It's definitely easier to read this crap when you think of it as "just a story". But then why follow this story for your moral teachings and not others? I think you could get way better morals and stories from reading Harry Potter or Winnie the Pooh or The Canterbury Tales. Despite these books having far superior moral tales in them (at least compared to the Bible), people still don't worship Winnie the Pooh or Harry Potter or Chaucer. Though the world might be a little better off if people did...<br /><br />I would hope that if more people realized just how different the death tolls are between God and Satan they would seriously think about just how good their God really is. But then again that's just wishful thinking. I know every time I've ever brought up God's killings it's brushed off as "those people deserved it because they are wicked and God is moral and just." No wonder the US composed of mostly Christians is so war happy when Christians can so easily justify the slaughter of thousands/millions of people.<br /><br />And I totally understand, Lurker, about you not bringing up Job to your Aunt. I have a difficult time talking to my father about religion since he turned to it after his near fatal surgery for a heart aneurysm (he is convinced God pressed on his chest which prompted him to go to the ER where they found his aneurysm, and I always want to tell him that having a grapefruit sized aneurysm waiting to pop in your chest would probably have the same effect). It was a trying time for all of us, so it's difficult to talk to him about his faith because he will always bring up his aneurysm. I don't want to take away whatever his faith gives him to cope with his near death experience, but at the same time I miss the dad who raised me and listened to heavy metal and watched Aliens with me when I stayed home sick from school. Plus I hate sounding like I'm lessening the impact his near death experience had on all of us when I argue with him about how God didn't have anything to do with him surviving, that it was all doctors and his own human body reacting to the problem letting him know something was wrong.<br /><br />It's just difficult when someone latches on so hard to their faith because of a very traumatic experience. :\NulleFidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05715257430971565382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5122011366604192824.post-84978705279970000112010-11-30T12:28:05.154-06:002010-11-30T12:28:05.154-06:00When my cousin died, my aunt found solace in this ...When my cousin died, my aunt found solace in this book. Somehow. She could barely cope, otherwise, but this gave her some comfort.<br />After I stopped being a Christian, I read this in its entirety. I was repulsed. Might does not make right, yet this is what the story (and the entire Bible) would have you believe.<br />I don't dare tell my aunt, so she'll continue to turn to Job. But I promise you, that even if God gave her another son, as God replaces Job's children, she would not be satisfied--she might even be in more agony, for the guilt of loving another child while hers is gone. <br />(And Job is such an early story, this was before the concept of "Heaven". The dead, and only the righteous, went to Sheol. Heaven and Hell derived from the Persian influence of duality...even here Satan isn't some evil figure, just some Fool of God's Court, or the other lawyer. My bible prof at Harding went to great lengths to tell us HERE, it wasn't evil that Satan was here (or existed). Of course it wouldn't be evil, here of all places--here, God agrees with him, and that would put some sin on God. Better to redeem Satan for a bit.<br />...my prof was really confusing, explaining Satan. He'd explain about Lucifer being an allusion to a ruler of the time, he'd explain all the Old Testament appearances...but in the New Testament, well, he is The Evil One...who was influenced by the Persians...somehow...<br /><br />*sigh* Much easier to look at it from "It's just a story" perspective.<br /><br />Speaking of which, there's a book out by the guy who does the Skeptic's Annotated Bible. This one is called Drunk with Blood. It lists all the deaths in the Bible, attributing them to God or Satan. Biblical numbers ONLY, God kills upwards of 2 million. Satan kills 10. (the ten being the ones he kills in Job)<br /><br />Sad. So, so sad.Lurkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5122011366604192824.post-80895960909315260202010-11-30T12:01:06.280-06:002010-11-30T12:01:06.280-06:00Well you know it's not insulting if it's t...Well you know it's not insulting if it's true, amirite? -_-<br /><br />I too am curious to see if his wife bears his future children. Though from what I understand Job loses everything so I always assumed that meant his wife as well...<br /><br />I never liked the "explain away horrible things that happen to people by saying God is just mysterious and you can't perceive his infinite wisdom" thing. Never have. I'm perfectly fine with an impersonal world that just doesn't care about me at all and shit just happens. When it's nature then that's just how shit works. When God does it then suddenly that shit's personal. I'd rather believe that if a being really did create us it wouldn't treat us so callously.NulleFidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05715257430971565382noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5122011366604192824.post-35093462351397701122010-11-29T21:24:37.392-06:002010-11-29T21:24:37.392-06:00This here's the book that takes a look at life...This here's the book that takes a look at life on Earth, realizes it doesn't jibe with a loving parent god, examines suffering, explains that mere mortals can neither perceive nor judge the infinite, then Job gets a cookie. Well, a new family that's shinier and nicer than the one Satan crushed into paste, anyway.<br /><br />I can't recall if the same woman bears these new offspring for Job or not. If so, that's a lot of children for her. Then again, I don't even know if his wife is the mother of all of the first ten or not. The text doesn't say.<br /><br />Back on topic, I also think Job should have listened to his wife. Then again, I've never been a subject of an absolute ruler. Maybe that would color my thoughts on the matter. In any case, he didn't need to call her foolish. That's just insulting.Efogotonoreply@blogger.com